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The furthest back we can trace our Grieve family history with absolute certainty is to a Michael Grieve, a wool spinner, and Rachel Scott, who were identified as the parents of my great great grandfather on his 1868 death certificate. (For possible ancestry of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott - Click here)
No record of their marriage or the actual births of most of their children have been found but it would seem that they were married circa 1810, and had at least 10 children -
(For further details of the known children of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott - Click here.)
The first certain record we have of Michael and Rachel is the census of 7th June 1841, when they are recorded as living at 3 Fore Row, Hawick, along with their seven children. The entire family, with the exception of the mother and the youngest child, are involved in the woollen industry.
1841 Census (7 June) Hawick (789) Book 5. Page 17-18.
3 Fore Row, Hawick.
|Name||Age||Occupation||Born in County|
|Michael Grieve||55||Wool spinner||Yes|
|John Grieve||25||Wool spinner||Yes|
|Walter Grieve||20||Wool spinner||Yes|
|Alexander Grieve||15||Wool spinner||Yes|
|Jennet Grieve||25||Wool spinner||Yes|
|Rachel Grieve||20||Woollen power loom weaver||Yes|
|Mary Grieve||18||Woollen power loom weaver||Yes|
Ten years later, at the time of the census of 31st March 1851, the picture remains much the same. The two eldest boys, John and Walter, have flown the nest, the youngest daughter, Christian, has joined the rest of the family in the woollen industry, and the family have moved to 36 Howgate, Hawick. The only child recorded as born outside Hawick in this census is Alexander, born on 26th September 1826, in Jedburgh. This birth is recorded in the parish register of Jedburgh, as is the birth of another child to Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott, a daughter, Margaret, on 26th March 1829. As this daughter does not appear in either the 1841 or 1851 censuses, it may well be that she died in infancy.
1851 Census (31 March) Hawick (789) Book 9. Page 9.
36 Howgate, Hawick.
|Michael Grieve||Head||70||Wool spinner||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Rachel Grieve||Wife||64||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Jannet Grieve||Daughter||36||General Servant||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Rachel Grieve||Daughter||28||Woollen power loom weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Mary Grieve||Daughter||26||Woollen power loom weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Alexander Grieve||Son||24||Woollen scrubber||Jedburgh, Roxburghshire|
|Christian Grieve||Daughter||20||Woollen power loom weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
Seven months after the census of 1851, on 24th November 1851, Rachel Scott died, aged 64, followed three years later, on 29th October 1854, by her husband, Michael Grieve, aged 74. They were buried in the churchyard of St. Mary's Church, Hawick, close by their house in the Howgate. Their headstone, with the addition of their daughter Mary, who died on 18th June 1856, aged 31, can be seen close by the path which runs through the churchyard.
TRANSCRIPTION OF THE GRIEVE HEADSTONE IN ST. MARY'S
CHURCH GRAVEYARD, HAWICK.
In memory of Michael Grieve, spinner, who died 29 October 1854, aged 74.
Also Rachel Scott, his spouse,
who died 24 November 1851, aged 64.
Also Mary Grieve, their daughter, who died on 18 June 1856, aged 31.
Alexander Grieve, Michael and Rachel's sixth child and the next generation in our Grieve family history had married Elizabeth Young Rutherford just over a year prior to his father's death on 28th November 1853 in Hawick. No birth certificate has been found for Elizabeth and although her later death certificate identifies her mother as Barbara Potts Young, it does not record her father's name. Going by her age given in the various censuses and on her death certificate Elizabeth was born 1835-1837, and her place of birth is variously given as, Hawick in the 1881 census, Lilliesleaf in the 1851, and 1871 censuses, Ancrum in the 1891 and 1901 censuses, and Crailing in the 1861 census and on the 1855 birth certificate of her daughter, Rachel. On balance Lilliesleaf or Crailing would seem to be most likely.(For further details of Barbara Potts - click here)
However on the evidence of a Paternity Warrant, dated 1840 "Pursuer - Barbara Young, Lilliesleaf; Defender - John Rutherford, Farmer, Ancrum Woodhead; Child's Date of Birth - 31 July 1835; Year of Court Case/Extract - 1840; Sheriff Court - Jedburgh; County - Roxburghshire; Case Settled" it would appear that Elizabeth was "born out of wedlock" on 31 July 1835, and that her father was a John Rutherford, a farmer at Woodhead Ancrum. The fact that John Rutherford was indeed Elizabeth's father is also supported by the fact that there is a DNA match between one of his descendants through his later marriage to Mary Roberton and three of the descendants of Alexander and Elizabeth Grieve. (For details of Elizabeth's father, John Rutherford, his subsequent marriage and descendents - click here)). It is also probably telling that Elizabeth was married using the surname Rutherford.
Marriage of Alexander Grieve and Elizabeth Rutherford
from the Hawick parish register
Alexander and Elizabeth seem to have remained in Hawick for the first six or seven years of their marriage, as it was there that their first three children were born, Barbara Grieve on 3rd December 1853, Rachel Grieve (the next generation in our Grieve family history) on 11th September 1855 at Weensland, Hawick, and Michael Grieve on 14th April 1858, at 29 High Street, Hawick.
Sometime after the birth of Michael in 1858, and before 8th. April 1861, the family moved to Allars, near Jedburgh, as it is there that they are recorded for the census of that year. They are recorded as living in the "gatehouse", which may have been the gatehouse of the large woollen mill at Allars, in which case the house may have come with Alexander Grieve's job of "foreman in a woollen manufacturer's" as listed in the census.
1861 Census (8 April) Jedburgh (792) Book 6. Page 1.
Gatehouse, Allars, by Jedburgh.
|Alexander Grieve||Head||34||Foreman in woollen manufacturers||Jedburgh, Roxburghshire|
A fourth child, Elizabeth Grieve, was born at Allars Mill, Jedburgh, four months after this census, on 18th August 1861.
Sadly, on 29th June 1868, Alexander Grieve died, aged only 42, of a heart ailment. He was identified on the death certificate as married to Elizabeth Rutherford, and the son of Michael Grieve, a Wool Spinner, and Rachel Grieve, maiden surname Scott, both listed as deceased. The informant was Barabara Grieve, his daughter. At the time he was employed as a "machine manager", and his place of residence was given as Wildenhaugh, Ladhope.
At the time of her husband's death Elizabeth Young Rutherford was already seven months pregnant with her fifth child, and by the time the baby, a son Alexander Grieve, was born, on 27th August 1868, she had moved back to Hawick and was living at 2 O'Connel Street. (For further details of the known children of Alexander Grieve and Elizabeth Young sometimes Elizabeth Young Rutherford - Click here)
By the time of the census of 3rd April 1871, she had moved again, this time to 6 Bridge Street, Hawick.
1871 Census (3 April) Hawick (789) Book 13?. Page 24.
6 Bridge Street, Hawick.
|Elizabeth Grieve||Head||35||Widow||Lilliesleaf, Roxburghshire|
|Barbara Grieve||Daughter||17||Woollen power loom weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Rachel Grieve||Daughter||15||Woollen power loom weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Michael Grieve||Son||12||Scholar||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Elizabeth Grieve||Daughter||9||Jedburgh, Roxburghshire|
|Alexander Grieve||Son||2||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
By the time of the census of 4th April 1881, the family had moved again and were living at 2 Langlandsbank, Hawick.
1881 Census (4 April) Wilton (810) Book 6. Page 31.
2 Langlandsbank, Hawick.
|Elizabeth Grieve||Head||44||Widow||Lilliesleaf, Roxburghshire|
|Barbara Grieve||Daughter||27||Woollen power loom weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Rachel Grieve||Daughter||25||Woollen power loom weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Michael Grieve||Son||22||Wool sorter||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Elizabeth Grieve||Daughter||19||Woollen power loom weaver||Jedburgh, Roxburghshire|
|Alexander Grieve||Son||12||Scholar||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
On 6th December 1883 Rachel Grieve married James Mathieson, a railway guard. At the time she was still living with her mother, Elizabeth Young Rutherford, and her brothers and sisters, at 2 Langlandsbank, Hawick. (SEE ONLINE MATHIESON FAMILY HISTORY)
Elizabeth Young Ruherford Grieve
Elizabeth Grieve continued to live on in Hawick and for the census of 1891 she was living at 3 Albion Place, with her eldest child, her daughter Barbara Grieve, and her youngest child, her son Alexander Grieve, now a bank clerk. Elizabeth's youngest daughter Elizabeth Russell, nee Grieve, her husband James Russell and their family are recorded in the household prior, and Mina Martin, her half sister by her mother Barbara and her husband William Martin (born 29 September 1850, Hawick), is recorded in the household following . For this census yet another place of birth is given for Elizabeth i.e. Ancrum, midway between Crailing and Lilliesleaf.
1891 Census (6 April) Wilton (810) Book 5. Page 2
3 Albion Place, Hawick.
|James Russell||Head||31||Stone Mason||Ancrum, Roxburghshire|
|Elizabeth Russell||Wife||29||Jedburgh, Roxburghshire|
|James Russell||Son||5||Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA|
|Alexander Russell||Son||4||Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA|
|Lizzie Russell||Daughter||1||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Elizabeth Grieve||Head||54||Housekeeper||Ancrum, Roxburghshire|
|Barbara Grieve||Daughter||37||Woollen power loom weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Alexander Grieve||Son||22||Bank Clerk||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Mina Martin||Head||40||Woollen Power Loom Weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
Although Elizabeth Grieve and family seem to have moved for the 1901 census very little has changed with her daughter Barbara Grieve , and son Alexander Grieve still single and living at home. For this census Ancrum is again given as Elizabeth's place of birth.
1901 Census (1 April) Hawick (789) Book 11 Page 6.
10 Etterick Terrace, Wilton, Hawick.
|Elizabeth Grieve||Head||64||?Housekeeper?||Ancrum, Roxburghshire|
|Barbara Grieve||Daughter||46||Woollen power loom weaver||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Alexander Grieve||Son||32||Bank Clerk||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
For the 1911 census Elizabeth was again recorded living at 10 Etterick Terrace, with her daughter Barbara Grieve and son Alexander Grieve, both still unmarried.
1911 Census (2 April) Hawick - 789/11 Page 8
10 Ettrick Terrace, Hawick (3 Rooms with 1 or more windows)
No of Children
|Elizabeth Grieve||Head - Widow||74||Melrose, Roxburghshire|
|Barbara Grieve||Daughter||56||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Alexander Grieve||Son||42||Bank Clerk||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
On 12th March 1914 Elizabeth Young Rutherford died at 13 Oliver Crescent, Hawick, aged 77. She was identified on her death certificate as the widow of Alexander Grieve, a Foreman Wool Spinner, and the daughter of Barbara Potts Young, afterwards married to William Martin, Clerk, deceased, father unknown. The informant on the death certificate was her son Alexander Grieve. An intimation of her death was carried in the Hawick News and Border Chronicle on 20 March 1914
Hawick News and Border Chronicle - 20 March 1914