Further details Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott, and their children Janet, Elizabeth, John, Walter, Rachel, Mary, Alexander, Margaret and Christian.

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No record of the marriage of Michael Grieve, a wool spinner, and Rachel Scott has been discovered. Similarly records have only been found for the births of 2 of their children. However it would seem that they were married circa 1810, and had at least 9 children (For further details of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott - click here.)


Janet Grieve born in 1814, Hawick, Roxburghshire.

Janet married Peter Fairbairn, a shoemaker, on 6 April 1855 in Hawick, Roxburghshire. Peter was born about 1807 in Edinburgh, Midlothian. For the census of 1861 Janet and Peter were living at 1 Fore Row, Hawick. I would surmise from the fact that there are no children included in this census and taking into account the couples' ages that they produced no children.

1861 Census (8 April) Hawick (789) Book15. Page 1.

1 Fore Row, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Peter Fairbairn Head 53 Journeyman Shoemaker Westkirk, Edinburghshire
Janet Fairbairn Wife 44   Hawick, Roxburghshire

Janet died on 4 January 1877 in Wellington Place, Hawick. She was listed as dying at Wellington Place, Hawick, and recorded as a pauper, widow of Peter Fairbairn, shoemaker. (I believe Peter Fairbairn died 1869 in Hawick) Her parents were confirmed as Michael Grieve, a spinner, and Rachel Scott. The informant was her brother John Grieve who gave his address as 1 Allars Crescent, Hawick. 

Elizabeth Grieve born about 1816, Hawick, Roxburghshire

Elizabeth Grieve died in the Poorhouse, Hawick on 22 January 1888. Her parents were given as Michael Grieve, a spinner, and Betsy Grieve, maiden name Scott. Obviously to be "our" Elizabeth her mother's forename should be Rachel. I suspect that the forename Betsy was given mistakenly because the individual who registered the death was the Governor of the Poorhouse, and he simply didn't know so did "best guess".

I think Elizabeth had left Hawick prior to the 1841 census to work as a domestic in Edinburgh and there is a likely candidate for her - an Elizabeth Grieve born "outside the county" working in the home of Eliza and Harriet Winscom at 13 Duncan Street, St Mary's, Edinburgh -Midlothian (REF 685 ED 103 Page 11). Certainly for the 1851 census there is a record of what I am pretty sure would be "our" Elizabeth, aged 35 and born in Hawick, working in the household of James Boyd, a cabinet maker at 14 Scotland Street, St Mary's, Edinburgh. (REF 1851 - 685/01 166/01 06).

By 1881 Elizabeth had returned to Hawick and was living with her youngest sister Christina and her family, where she was recorded as "Family Housekeeper". The relationship "sister in law" confirms the fact that Elizabeth was a further daughter of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott.

1881 Census (4 April) Wilton (810) Book 7 Page 12.

21 Wellington Street, Wilton, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Mirner Head 52 Journeyman Tailor Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Christina Mirner Wife 49   Jedburgh, Roxburghshire
Rachel Mirner Daughter 24 Wool Factory Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
Betsy Grieve Sister in law 64 Family Housekeeper Hawick, Roxburghshire

As already stated Elizabeth died in the Poorhouse, Hawick on 22 January 1888, with the informant being the governor A. Grierson.

John Grieve born about 1816, Hawick, Roxburghshire.

John married Isabella Biggar on 9 December 1844 in Hawick, Roxburghshire. Isabella was born about 1813 in Castleton, Roxburghshire. John and Isabella had the following children:

For the census of 1851 John and his family were living in Kirkgate, Hawick with John working as a Woollen Spinner.

1851 Census (31 March) Hawick (789) Book 13. Page 14.

Kirkgate, Hawick.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Grieve Head 34 Woollen Spinner Hawick, Roxburghshire
Isabel Grieve Wife 37   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Mary Grieve Daughter 6 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire
Rachel Grieve Daughter 4   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Michael Grieve Son 1   Hawick, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1861 John and his family with the addition of a daughter Jessie, born About 1852, were living at 1 Allars Close, Hawick. John is still recorded as working as a Woollen Spinner.

1861 Census (8 April) Hawick (789) Book 5. Page 15.

1 Allars Crescent, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Grieve Head 44 Woollen Spinner Hawick, Roxburghshire
Isabella Grieve Wife 47   Castleton, Roxburghshire
Mary Grieve Daughter 16 General Servant Hawick, Roxburghshire
Rachel Grieve Daughter 14 Woollen Finsher Hawick, Roxburghshire
Michael Grieve Son 11 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire
Jessie Grieve Daughter 8   Hawick, Roxburghshire

I believe that Isabella Grieve nee Biggar died in 1867 in Hawick, Roxburghshire and  brief scan of the indexes for the census of 1871 would seem to show the widowed John still  in Hawick presumably at 1 Allars Crescent, with at least his daughters Mary and Jessie in the household.

John died on 24 April 1880 in 1 Allars Crescent, Hawick. His parents were confirmed as Michael Grieve, a spinner, and Rachel Scott. The informant was his brother in law John Biggar (his late wife's brother) who gave his address as 9 Backdamgate, Hawick.

Walter Grieve born about 1820, Hawick, Roxburghshire.?

Walter Grieve married Mary Oliver and there are two records for the Banns being called for the marriage of a Walter Grieve to a Mary Oliver, one in the Wilton OPR - "5 December Wal'r Grieve, Spinner, Hawick, and Mary Oliver, P'head in Wilton, Two days.", and one in Hawick OPR - "15 December 1841 - The Banns of Marriage have been proclaimed in the Parish Church here between Walter Grieve, in the Parish of Hawick, and Mary Oliver in Wilton Parish and no objections were offered.".

Walter Grieve died 9 August 1848 and was interred in Wellogate Cemetry Hawick. A headstone was erected and the inscription was latterly recorded by the Hawick Archaeological Society In memory of WALTER GRIEVE who died 9th August 1848 aged ?29?. The days of his youth hath been shortened. And MARY OLIVER his wife who died 10th March 1902 aged 82 years.. Usually with his death and marriage being prior to 1855 and statutory records it would have been unlikely that we could have confirmed 100% that this Walter Grieve who married Mary Oliver and had died in 1848 was the son of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott, we are fortunate that the Hawick Archaeological Society appended notes to the record of the headstone as to the kinfolk of this Walter Grieve. Amongst the notes was the information that "Walter had brother, Alexander Grieve, mill foreman, d. Galashiels, 30th June, 1868, aged 42; wife, Elizabeth Young, d. 12th March, 1914, aged 77, issue - Rachel m. James Mathieson; Barbara; Elizabeth m. James Russell, mason, and son, Alexander d. 5th April, 1926, aged 57, actuary, Hawick Savings Bank, and manager , Hawick Heritable Investment Bank, Ltd." This Alexander was my great great grandfather, and his daughter Rachel my great grandmother, and Alexander was identified as a son of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott on his death certificate. Therefore as his brother Walter Grieve was also a son of Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott. This has again been confirmed as correct through the medium of DNA as I have a shared DNA "link" to one of Walter and Mary Oliver's descendants. i.e. We share Michael Grieve and Rachel Scott as common ggg grandparents. Therefore QED!

Walter and Mary had the following known children:

For the census of 1851 Walter's widow, Mary, and her family Michael, Adam, and Agnes were living in Fore Row Hawick. However there was also James Hart recorded in the household, identified as son, aged 1, and born in Hawick. It would seem that Mary had a relationship sometime after the death of Walter which resulted in the birth of a son James. His birth on 10 October 1849 and his baptism 7 April 1850 in Hawick were recorded in the Roman Catholic register, with is parents identified as William Hart and Mary Oliver. The baby was not identified as Lawful Son which suggests that William and Mary never wed. The sponsors were William Curlin and Betty Rooney, and the priest was Patrick Taggart. For the 1851 census there is a William Hart, a Irish sawyer, single, aged 23 and lodging a few streets away from the young widowed Mary which would seem almost certaily the father of James. There were also two visitors recorded William Oliver, a violin player, and a James Hannan aged 4, who is a mystery?.

1851 Census (31 March) Hawick (789) Book 12. Page 1.

Fore Row, Hawick.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head 30   Wilton, Roxburghshire
Michael Grieve Son 8 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire
Adam Grieve Son 5   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Agnes Grieve Daughter 3   Hawick, Roxburghshire
James Hart Son 1   Hawick, Roxburghshire
William Oliver Visitor 32 Violin Player Wilton, Roxburghshire
James Hannan Visitor 4   Wilton, Roxburghshire

I understand that the William Oliver listed in the 1851 census was almost certainly "Blind Wull", a noted local fiddler. Born at Tandlaw, he lost his sight to a game cock at the age of 5, and also lost his father whilst young. He learned the violin from  a Johnnie Oliver, and played regularly at weddings and social functions. Tales were also told of his prowess as an angler and poacher and as a maker of nets. On one occasion he was caught poaching, but gave his captors the slip, escaping to Edinburgh, where he worked for a while. He also ran a dance class at the Fleece Inn ballroom, and is regarded as the last of Hawick’s blind celebrities. He was firstly married to an Agnes Henderson whom he married on 5 April 1845 in Hawick, and then latterly to a Catherine Ballantyne who he married on 17 February 1871 also in Hawick. Sadly he died shortly a few months after the wedding on 29 June 1871 at 11 Fore Row, Hawick.  On both his marriage certificate of 1871 and death certificate of 1871 William's parents were identified as Adam Oliver, a farmer, and Agnes Anderson.

For the census of 1861 Mary was still living at 11 Fore Row Hawick. The James Grieve aged 11 recorded as son is assumed to be the James Hart from the 1851 census. William Oliver, who was recorded as a visitor in the 1851 census seems to have "moved in next door". 

1861 Census (7 April) Hawick (789) Book 15. Page 8.

11 Fore Row, Hawick.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head 42   Wilton, Roxburghshire
Michael Grieve Son 18 Wool Warehouse Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
Adam Grieve Son 16 Woolen Mill Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
Agnes Grieve Daughter 13 Woolen Mill Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
James Grieve Son 11 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire
William Oliver Head 43 Musician (Blind) Wilton, Roxburghshire
Agnes Anderson Neice 19 Domestic Servant Wilton, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1871 only her son Adam is recorded along with Mary in the family household at Fore Row, her two eldest children Michael and Agnes having married. What happened to James Grieve aka Hart is unknown. Should you be able to throw light on his fate please get in contact using the Contact link at the top of the page.

1871 Census (2 April) Hawick (789) Book 13. Page 1.

11 Fore Row, Hawick.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head 51   Wilton, Roxburghshire
Adam Grieve Son 26 Freestone Miner (Journeyman) Hawick, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1881 the widowed Mary was living at 3 Green Wynd, Hawick working as a mangle woman,

1881 Census (4 April) Hawick (810) Book 12 Page 20.

3 Green Wynd, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head - Widow 60 Mangle Woman Wilton, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1891 the widowed Mary was living next door to her daughter Agnes at 21 Beaconsfield Terrace, Hawick. 

1891 Census (5 April) Hawick (789) Book 21. Page 22.

21 Beaconsfield Terrace, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head 70 Living on Private Means Wilton, Roxburghshire
Andrew Butler Head 51 Foreman of Steam Frames Wilton, Roxburghshire
Agnes Butler Wife 42   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Mary Butler Daughter 19 Binder off, Steam Frames. Wilton, Roxburghshire
John Butler Son 14   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Maggie Butler Daughter 12   Hawick, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1901 Mary, now in her eighties, was again recorded at 21 Beaconsfield Terrace, Hawick, with her daughter Agnes and her family next door.

1901 Census (1 April) Hawick (789/1) Book 16 Page 24-25.

21 Beaconsfield Terrace, Hawick. (4 Rooms with 1 or more windows)

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Grieve Head 82 Retired Hawick, Roxburghshire
Andrew Butler Head 61 Hosiery Foreman Hawick, Roxburghshire
Agnes Butler Wife 51   Hawick, Roxburghshire
Maggie Butler Daughter 21 Dressmaker Hawick, Roxburghshire

Mary Grieve nee Oliver died on 10 March 1902 at 21 Beaconsfield Terrace, Hawick, aged 82 . She was recorded the as the widow of Walter Grieve, Wool Spinner, with her parents being Adam Oliver, Tenant Farmer, and Agnes Oliver maiden name unknown. The informant on Mary's death registration was Michael Grieve her son who gave his address as 16 Cavendish Road, Leicester. Although no record of Mary's birth has been found, her parents names are a close match to those of William Oliver, aka "Blind Wull", previously mntioned, and I am inclined to believe that although he was only named as a "visitor" in the household of 1851, he was in fact her brother and therefore Mary's mother's maiden name was Anderson.

Rachel Grieve born about 1822, Hawick, Roxburghshire.

Appears in the family household for 1841 aged 20, and the 1851 census aged 28. On both occasions she was identified as a Woollen power loom weaver. Rachel died unmarried on 5 May 1860 at Bourtree Place, Hawick. She was recorded on the death certificate as aged 38 1/2, a power loom weaver, daughter of Michael Grieve, a spinner, and Rachel Grieve, maiden surname Scott, both listed as deceased. Her place of burial was given as "Church Yard of Hawick", and the informant was Alexander Grieve, brother, who was present. It would seem that it was in the home of her married younger sister Christian that the death occurred as it was at Bourtree Place that Christian, her husband and her daughter were recorded for the 1861 census.

Mary Grieve born about 1824, Hawick, Roxburghshire.

Mary died unmarried on 18 June 1856 in 16 Howgate, Hawick. She was recorded on the death certificate as aged 31, a wool power loom weaver, daughter of Michael Grieve, a wool spinner, and Rachel Grieve, maiden surname Scott, both listed as deceased. Her place of burial was given as "Church Yard of Hawick", and the informant her brother Alexander who gave his address as 70 High Street, Hawick. Mary was commemorated on the gravestone in Hawick Churchyard.

Alexander Grieve born on 19 September 1826, Jedburgh, Roxburghshire.

Alexander married Elizabeth Young Rutherford the daughter of Barbara Potts Young and probably a Mr Rutherford on 28 November 1853 in Hawick. Next Generation in Family History

Margaret Grieve was born on 26 March 1829, Jedburgh, Roxburghshire.

Margaret may have died young as she does not appear in the 1841 census for the family.

Christian Grieve was born about 1830, Hawick (Jedburgh?), Roxburghshire.

Christian (or Christina) married a William Milner on 2 January 1854 in Hawick in the Hawick Parish register.  The surname Milner gets recorded in a number of variations through the records I have unearthed - Milner / Mirner / Minner / Merner. Merner seems the final mutation - maybe!! 

Shortly after their marriage Christian and William would seem to have had a daughter Rachel. Although no record of her birth has been found she is recorded along with her parents in the census of 1861 resident at Bourtree Place, Hawick. The surname is recorded as Milner for this census.

1861 Census (8 April) Hawick (789) Book 1. Page 5.

Bourtree Place, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Milner Head 32 Tailor Journeyman Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Christina Milner Wife 27   Jedburgh, Roxburghshire
Rachel Milner Daughter 6 Scholar Hawick, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1871 Christian and her family were recorded at 1 Wellington Place, Hawick. The surname is recorded as Minner.

1871 Census (3 April) Hawick (810) Book 4. Page 30.

1 Wellington Place, Wilton, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Minner Head 43 Tailor Journeyman Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Christina Milner Wife 37   Jedburgh, Roxburghshire
Rachel Milner Daughter 16 Minder of Tweeds Hawick, Roxburghshire

For the census of 1881 Christian and her family were recorded at 21 Wellington Street, Hawick with their surname recorded as Mirner. Christina's elder sister Betsy is also recorded in the household. (See above).

1881 Census (4 April) Wilton (810) Book 7 Page 12.

21 Wellington Street, Wilton, Hawick

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
William Mirner Head 52 Journeyman Tailor Selkirk, Selkirkshire
Christina Mirner Wife 49   Jedburgh, Roxburghshire
Rachel Mirner Daughter 24 Wool Factory Worker Hawick, Roxburghshire
Betsy Grieve Sister in law 64 Family Housekeeper Hawick, Roxburghshire

On 5 June 1884, three years after this census, Christina's daughter Rachel Scott Mirner married a James Elliot, a tweed pattern weaver. The marriage took place at 19 Wellington Place, Hawick, (Rachel's address), and her parents were identified as William Mirner, Tailor, and Christina Mirner, nee Grieve. James's address was given as 19 Dalkeith Place, Hawick but only his mother's name is given, Jessie Elliot, a Wool Powerloom Weaver. The 1881 census shows him in his mother's household at Kirkwynd, Selkirk, and his mother is recorded as unmarried. The witnesses were John Elliot and Mary Kennedy. (See Note)

Christian Merner, nee Grieve died on 1 February 1885 at 19 Wellington Place, Hawick. She was recorded aged 49, married to William Merner, a Journeyman Tailor, as the daughter of Michael Grieve, a Wool Spinner, and Rachel Scott, both deceased. The informant was William Merner, Widower,

William Merner died on 18 July 1889 at 7 Wellington Place, Hawick. He was recorded a Journeyman Tailor, aged 64, the widower of Christina Grieve. He was also recorded as "illegitimate", with his father "reputed" as being William Merner, a Waiter in a Hotel, (deceased) and his mother as Helen Willison, afterwards wife of Thomas Mews, a Coul Miner (deceased). The informant was Jomes Elliot, son-in-law. (Rachel's husband.)

NOTE

Rachel and James had the following known children:

Rachel died on 24 July 1890 in 7 Wellington Street, Wilton, Hawick, Roxburghshire. James latterly married Janet Hall daughter of George Hall, a Baker, and Margaret Gray on 8 August 1895 in Galashiels, Selkirkshire. Janet was born on 4 January 1856 in Selkirk, Selkirkshire.