Further details where known of the children of Alexander Grieve and Elizabeth Young Rutherford.
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Further details where known of the children of Alexander Grieve and Elizabeth Young Rutherford
(For further information on the ancestors and descendants of this couple go to the main Grieve Family History page.)
Barbara Grieve, born on 3 Dec 1853, Hawick (Mother’s name - Elizabeth Young Rutherford)
Recorded with her mother for the census 1861-1911. Barbara died unmarried on 19 Feb 1927 in 17 Waverley Terrace, Hawick. Her occupation was given as "home housekeeper" and her parents were confirmed on the certificate as Alexander Grieve, a woolsorter, and Elizabeth Grieve, maiden name Young. The informant was James Russell, her nephew, son of her sister Elizabeth (see following), who gave his address as 6 Rosevale Street, Hawick.
Rachel Grieve born on 11 Sep 1855, Hawick (Mother’s name - Elizabeth Young)
Rachel married James Mathieson a railway guard son of James Mathieson and Janet Dickson on 6 Dec 1883 in Wilton Hawick. - Next Generation in Family History. For further information on the ancestors and descendants of this couple go to the main Grieve Family History page.
Michael Grieve born on 14 Apr 1858, High St., Hawick (Mother’s name - Elizabeth Young Rutherford)
I believe Michael emmigrated to Australia in 1882 on board the SS. Orontes and that 3 years later in Sydney, New South Wales, on 24 December 1885 he married Agnes Turnbull. I believe Agnes had emmigrated in 1883 on board the SS. Sorata and was born on 19 January 1861 in Wilton, Hawick, Roxburghshire, the daughter of James Turnbull, a Woolo Framework Knitter, and Helen Nilson (m. 10 November 1851, Hawick, Roxburghshire). As both Michael and Agnes were from Hawick one woders if they were an item prior to their emmigartion or if they met in Australia due to their shared roots.
It is believed that Michael and Agnes had the following children:
The Queenslander - Saturday 2 January 1926
David A. Woodroof, a farmer, of Rosehill, Dorrigo, and his little daughter aged 10 years, were killed outright in a motor car accident at Bellengen, on Saturday, when the car capsized through skidding on the grass.
The Daily Telegraph
10 August 2015
An attempt by a handful of residents to rename their street has uncovered a piece of the Hill’s forgot war history.
Earlier this year, a group of five property owners within Grieve Ave, Kellyville, wrote to the council requesting to rename the road. “Grieve” was thought to be a depressing name for street and residents wanted something cheerier. Council officers discovered that the street was named after Kellyville farm labourer James Turnbull Grieve, who is identified on the World War I honour roll of 1914-1918. Private Grieve enlisted at Parramatta on February 16, 1915, and served in Gallipoli until he was killed in action on August 27 that same year. Councillors at their ordinary meeting agreed the name should be changed to James Grieve Avenue in remembrance of the soldier, who has no known grave. “The anniversary of his death is August 27, 1915, and there is no known grave so it’s fitting that we should honour him with this street name,” Cr Robyn Preston said “It’s important that we keep these people close to our heart and remember them.” Resident Danny Velebit said he was shocked to learn the origins of the name. “We had no idea it had that historical significance,” he said. “It has completely changed our thinking about it.” The name change has been sent to the Geographical Names Board for approval.
The Daily Telegraph
1 September 2015
Grieve Ave to be renamed James Grieve Ave in honour of Gallipoli war hero.
The descendants of a Gallipoli war hero say they are thrilled a street in Kellyville will feature his full name.
The street will be called James Grieve Ave, instead of just Grieve Ave, as a tribute to Private Grieve who lived in Kellyville and was killed in action in 1915. Ross and Ian Grieve, who both live in the Hills, are the nephews of James Grieve. Their father, Alex, also joined the Australian Army and fought in World War I. Private James Turnbull Grieve was killed in Gallipoli in 1915. Alex Grieve survived the trenches in France, but his younger brother was killed at Gallipoli. “Dad was crossing the Indian Ocean when Uncle Jim was killed at Suvla Bay,” Ross Grieve said. “He had been there only three days. The 27th of August 1915 was the day he lost his life, which means a hundred years this month.” The street is currently called Grieve Ave but the council decided to change the name after residents, not realising the history behind the name, complained it was depressing. Ross Grieve said he and his brother were unaware there was a Grieve Ave or that council planned to rename it until they read a story about the name change in the Times. He said it was a fitting tribute to his uncle. “The new name is far better,” he said. It’s got a better ring to it, a better flow of words.”
A Gallipoli memory
Crouched in a muddy trench with soldiers dying around him, James Grieve penned his final letter home to his family in Kellyville. In that trench things were awful, he wrote. “Our own dead and also dead Turks lying all around and the smell was awful but that was not the worst. We were in such a cramped position and it was almost impossible to get water and I never felt the want of water so much in my life before. The next day, on August 27, Private Grieve was killed; the letter he sent home a tragic memento for his grieving family in Kellyville, and a reminder of the human sacrifice that took place in Gallipoli 100 years ago. The Grieve family were Scottish settlers who owned a poultry farm in Wrights Rd. They had three sons who enlisted in the war. James never made it home. Last Thursday marked 100 years since Pvt Grieve was shot down on a rugged peninsula far from home. His nephews, Ross and Ian, took a quiet moment to remember the uncle they never met. “He lasted three days – that was his war,” Ross said. “They never found his body.”
|Australian 1891 Census - Kellyville|
|Sydney Morning Herald Wednesday 9 September 1931|
Death of Michael Grieve
|Sydney Morning Herald Tuesday 30 January 1945|
Death of Agnes Grieve, nee Turnbull
Elizabeth Grieve born on 18 Aug 1861 in Allars Mill, Jedburgh (Mother’s name - Elizabeth Young Rutherford)
Elizabeth married James Russell, a Stone Mason, son of James Russell and Jane Lees on 1 September 1884 in New Brunswick, New Jersey, USA. James was born on 16 Feb 1860 in Ancrum, Roxburghshire.
Elizabeth and James had the following children:
|Death of Charles John Russell |
Glasgow Herald 7 December 1959
1891 Census (6 April) Wilton (810) Book 5. Page 2.
5 Albion Place, Wilton, Hawick.
|James Russell||Head||31||Stone Mason||Ancrum, Roxburghshire|
|Elizabeth Russell||Wife||29||Jedburgh, Roxburghshire|
|James Russell||Son||5||Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA|
|Alexander Russell||Son||4||Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA|
|Lizzie Russell||Daughter||1||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
James died in 21 August 1900 at 1 Elm Grove, Hawick, Roxburghshire. His will consists of 17 pages.
1901 Census (1 April) Hawick (789-1) Book 10-1 Page 16.
1 Elm Grove, Hawick.
|Elizabeth Russell||Head||39||Domestic Housekeeper (Mason's Widow)||Jedburgh, Roxburghshire|
|James A(lexander) Russell||Son||15||Apprentice Watchmaker||USA - British Subject|
|Alexander R(obert) L(ees) Russell||Son||14||Apprentice Hosiery Warehouseman||USA - British Subject|
|Lizzie R(utherford) Russell||Daughter||11||Dressage Girl (Milliner's)||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Ella Jane Russell||Daughter||9||Scholar||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Charles John Russell||Son||7||Scholar||Hawick, Roxburghshir|
|Annie Kerr||Lodger||26||Milliner||Ayr, Ayrshire|
|James Berrie||Lodger||20||Sorters Clerk and Telegraphist||St Andrews, Fife|
For the 1911 census Elizabeth was again recorded living in Hawick. All her children were included in the household with the exception of Ella Jane who I believe was resident in a household in Castleton, Roxburghshire. I have not viewed the original so the names and ages are from the Scotlandspeople index with the inclusion of some assumptions (in italics) using details from the previous census. The original would incude exact address, occupations, etc.
1911 Census (2 April) Hawick - 789/10 Page 8
No of Children
|Elizabeth Russel||Head - Widow||49||Jedburgh, Roxburghshire|
|James Russel||Son||25||Watchmaker \ Jeweller||USA|
|Alexander Russel||Son||24||Hosiery Warehouseman||USA|
|Lizzie Russel||Daughter||21||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
|Charles Russel||Son||17||Hawick, Roxburghshire|
Elizabeth died on 18 Dec 1929 in 3 Albion Place, Hawick. She was identified as "Widow of James Russell, Stone Mason" and her parents were recorded on the certificate as Alexander Grieve, a wool sorter, and Elizabeth Young Grieve, maiden name Rutherford. The informant was her son James Alexander Russell, who gave his address as 3 Albion Place, Hawick.
Alexander Grieve born on 27 Aug 1868, 2 O'Connel St., Hawick (Mother’s name - Elizabeth Young)
Recorded with his mother for the census 1871-1911. Alexander, an actuary, died unmarried on 5 Apr 1926 in 11 High Street, Hawick. On the certificate his parents were identified as Alexander Grieve, a woolsorter, and Elizabeth Grieve, maiden name Young, and the informant was James Russell, his nephew, son of his sister Elizabeth (see preceding). James gave his address as 6 Rosevale Street, Hawick.