Details of John Fleming and Jane Moffatt, the parents of Jane Fleming, and Mary Ann Scott John Fleming's second wife

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Details of John Fleming and Jane Moffatt, the parents of Jane Fleming, and Mary Ann Scott John Fleming's second wife. 

When Jane Fleming married Robert Findlay on 29 June 1887, in Galt, Waterloo, Ontario. She was actually recorded as Janis A. Fleming aged 26 the daughter of John Fleming and Janis Fleming. As it is certain that this is the correct marriage record due to her husband Robert being accurately recorded as aged 28, the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Findlay, one can assume that Janis = Jane making Jane the daughter of a John and Jane Fleming and born circa 1861. The 1891 census gives her age as 30 which also tallies with her being born circa 1861. Her year of birth given in the 1901, 1911 and 1921 censuses all differ, listing 1863, 1864 and 1864 (calculated) respectively. However the 1901 and 1911 censuses do agree on the month being May, with the 1901 census specifying the 24th of that month. Taking all this into account Jane was therefore almost certainly one and the same as the Jane Fleming whose birth was recorded on 26 May 1861 in Dundee, to John Fleming and Jane Moffat.

John Fleming married Jane's mother Jane Moffat, the daughter of Thomas Moffat and Catherine Sim on 20 November 1855 in Edinburgh. The marriage certificate records John as a 27 year old bachelor, a Farm Servant and resident at Davan, Moulin, Perthshire. His parents were given as Alexander Fleming, a farmer, and Anne Fleming maiden name Campbell with the additional 1855 certificate information that he was born on 6 May 1828 at Davan and the birth registered in the parish of Kirkmichael. (For further details of John Fleming's genealogy - click here) Jane was recorded as 24 year old spinster, working as Domestic Servant and resident at Kindrogan, Moulin, Perthsire. Her parents were given as Thomas Moffat, a printer (deceased), and Catherine Moffat maiden name Sim (deceased). Again there is the additional 1855 certificate information that she was born on 17 May 1831 in Edinburgh but the birth was not registered. The witnesses were J. D. Moffat and George Renwick. (For further details of Jane Moffat's genealogy - click here)

John and Jane had five known children -

For the 1861 census John and Jane were recorded at 12 Dens Brae, Dundee, Forfarshire with their son Robert. John is recorded as "Assistant Inspector of the Poor" for the Dundee Workhouse. Sadly the two children missing from this census had died in the spring of the previous year, Alexander Duncan Fleming dying on 11 Feb 1860 of Bronchitis and Catherine dying two months later on 24 April 1860 with the cause of death was given as Diarrhoea. Both deaths were recorded as occurring at 125 Hilltown Ave., Dundee.

1861 Census (8th April)  Dundee (282/1) Book: 15 Page: 28.

12 Dens Brae, Dundee, Forfarshire.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Fleming Head 33 Assistant Inspector of the Poor Moulin, Perthshire
Jane Fleming Wife 30   Edinburgh
Robert Fleming Son 1   Dundee, Forfarshire

Sadly Jane died of Pulminary Consumption 7 July 1864 at 89 Princes Street, Dundee. She was recorded as aged 33, the daughter of Thomas Moffat, a printer (deceased), and Catherine Moffat maiden name Sime (deceased). The informant was John Fleming Widower who was present at the death.

Two years after the death of Jane, John Fleming remarried to a Mary Ann Scott. The marriage took place on 8 June 1866 in Edinburgh with John recorded as aged 36, the widower of Jane Moffat, and a clerk and Assistant Inspector of the Poor resident at 63 Albert Street, Dundee. His parents were given as Alexander Fleming, a farmer, and Anne Fleming maiden name Campbell. Jane was recorded as aged 28 a spinster, working as Domestic Servant and resident at Cold Mill, Cavers. Her parents were given as Robert Scott, Veterinary Surgeon, and Janet Scott maiden name Renwick. The witnesses were Andrew D. Smeaton and Robert Scott. In census records Robert, her father was recorded as a Blacksmith so presumably his Veterinary role was a by-product of his smithying. Mary Ann Scott was born 25 December 1837 in Cavers, Roxburghshire, the sixth of seven known children born to Robert Scott and Janet Renwick. (For further details of Mary Ann Scott's genealogy - Click here)

John and Mary Ann had four known children -

On 26 May 1868 John Bell Fleming John's youngest child by his first marriage died of Consumption on at Birkhill, Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie, Angus.

For months later Jessie Renwick Fleming, John and Mary Ann's youngest child, died on 19 Oct 1868 in 107 Albert Drive, Dundee.

For the 1871 census John and his family were recorded at Blyth Street, Dundee, with John was again recorded as "Assistant Inspector of the Poor" for the Dundee Workhouse. Robert his son by his first marriage and Mary Ann, Elizabeth and Alexander, the three surviving children from his current marriage were recorded in the household.

1871 Census (3rd April)  Liff & Benvie (282/2) Book: 27 Page: 4.

Blyth Street, Dundee, Forfarshire.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Fleming Head 42 Assistant Inspector of the Poor Moulin, Perthshire
Mary Ann Fleming Wife 32 Wife of Assistant Inspector of the Poor Cavers, Roxburghshire
Robert S. Fleming Son 11 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire
Mary Ann Fleming Daughter 3   Dundee, Forfarshire
Elizabeth O. Fleming Daughter 1 1/2   Dundee, Forfarshire
Alexander Fleming Son 4 months   Dundee, Forfarshire

Jane missing from this 1871 census was recorded in Edinburgh in the household of George and Catherine Renwick. Jane was recorded as "niece" as Catherine's maiden name was Moffat and she was the sister of Jane's mother and had married George Renwick on 14 September 1854 in Edinburgh.

1871 Census (3rd April)  St Andrew Edinburgh (685/2) Book 1 Page 10.

120 Princes Street, Edinburgh.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
George Renwick Head 60 Messenger Insurance Hallkirk, Roxburghshire
Catherine Renwick Wife 55   Edinburgh
Jane Fleming Neice 9 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire
Mary Myler Boarder 25 Dressmaker Malkins, Perthshire
Janet Dull Servant 70 Domestic Servant Little Dunkeld, Perthshire

Two months after this census 16 June 1871 John Fleming died. He was recorded as aged 44, Assistant Inspector of the Poor, married to Mary Ann, Scott and resident at Blyth Street, Balgray Street, Dundde at the time. His parents were given as Alexander Fleming, a farmer, and Anne Fleming maiden name Campbell. The cause of death was pleurisy and pneumonia and the informant was David Garvie 30 Annfield Road, who was present at the death.

By the time of the 1881 census Jane's step-mother Mary Ann Fleming along with her three surviving children had emigrated to Canada and were recorded at Galt, Waterloo, Ontario for the 1881 census. There is a record of a family group - Mary Ann Fleming aged 34, Mary Ann Fleming aged 3, Elizth Fleming aged 2 and Alexander aged 1/2 arriving in Quebec on 10 May1872 on board the ship Saint Andrew which left Glasgow 24 April 1872. Mary Ann senior is recorded as "Housekeeper" in this record and I would guess that she was emigrating to take up a position as a housekeeper for an existing Canadian resident. There were so many border families who had already made the trip across the Atlantic and there were almost certainly sisters of her mother Jessie Renwick that it is likely that this was arranged through family relations. Later census records for the family give 1883 and 1879 as their arrival of Canada. I guess it is possible that they had returned to the UK and come back to Canada latterly but I am confident this is their initial move across the Atlantic.

1881 Census District 161 Galt, Subdistrict 1 Waterloo South, Ontario  Page 66.

Galt, Waterloo South, Ontario.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Ann Fleming Head 42   ---------------- Scotland
Mary Ann Fleming Daughter 12   ---------------- Scotland
Elizabeth O. Fleming Daughter 11   ---------------- Scotland
Alexander Fleming Son 10   ---------------- Scotland

Mary Ann's step children seem to have remained in the UK.  With her Aunt Catherine and Uncle George I believe both deceased Jane, was lodging with in the household of Jessie Wilkie at 7 West Montgomerry Place, South Leith.(For further details of Jane Amelia Fleming's later life - click here)

1881 Census (4th April)  South Leith (685-2) Book 16 Page 6.

7 W Montgomery Pl, South Leith, Edinburgh.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Jessie Wilkie Head 62    Largo, Fife
Jessie Wilkie Daughter 20 Clerkess In Tramway Office Edinburgh
Jane Fleming Boarder 19 Dressmaker Dundee, Forfarshire
R.D. Monteith Lodger 26 Law Clerk Edinburgh
Mathew Sommerville Lodger 33 Engine Fitter (Foreman) Glasgow, Lanarkshire
James J. Carruthers Lodger 21 Stationer Crawford, Lanarkshire

For the census of 1881 Robert, a Draper's Assistant, was lodging at 11 Ibrox Place, Whitefield Road, Glasgow in the household of John Morrison a "Seaman's Missionary", recorded as a "Shopman - Draper". -  (For further details of Robert Stewart Fleming - click here)

1881 Census (4th April)  Govan (646-1) Book 12 Page 49.

Whitefield Road 11 Ibrox Place, Govan, Lanarkshire.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
John Morrison Head 33 Seamans Missionary Ireland
Mary Morrison Wife 34    Ireland
Elizabeth L. Morrison Daughter 2    Ireland
Richard J. Morrison Son 9 months   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Maryann Dougharty Servant 16 General Servant Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Robert S. Fleming Lodger 21 Shopman Draper Dundee, Forfashire

For the census of 1891 Mary and her family were still resident in Galt, Waterloo. The children are now all in employment with Alexander following the tendency of male scots abroad to find employment as accountants!

1891 Census (27 April) District 123 Galt, Subdistrict 6 Waterloo South, Ontario  Page 99.

Galt, Waterloo South, Ontario.

Name Relationship Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Fleming Head 52   ---------------- Scotland
Mary Fleming Daughter 22   Milliner Scotland
Bessie Fleming Daughter 21   Clerk Scotland
Alexander Fleming Son 20   Bookkeeper Scot

 

For the census of 1901 the family were still resident in Galt, Waterloo. Only Mary the elder daughter and Alexander are in employment. Although the year of birth given for Elizabeth and Alexander is out the day and month are correct.

 

1901 Census District 122 Galt, Subdistrict 11 Waterloo South, Ontario  Page 1.

Galt, Waterloo South, Ontario.

Name Relationship Date of Birth Age Occupation Where Born
Mary Fleming Head 25 Dec 1837 63   ---------------- Scotland
Mary Fleming Daughter 15 May 1868 32   Milliner Scotland
Elizabeth Fleming Daughter 22 July 1870 30   ---------------- Scotland
Alex C. Fleming Son 15 Nov 1873 27   Bookkeeper Scotland

 

For the census of 1911 the family were still resident in Galt, Waterloo. Again only Mary and Alexander are recorded as having an occupation. This time the year of birth given for all three children is awry, but the month is correct. As previously mentioned I believe that Mary Ann at least originally came to Canada in 1872 and we do have the family in Galt for the census of 1881 so the "Arrived in Canada" date is obviously inaccurate.

 

1911 Census District 131 Galt, Subdistrict 4 Waterloo South, Ontario  Page 22.

Galt, Waterloo South, Ontario.

Name Relationship Date of Birth Age Arrived in Canada Occupation Where Born
Mary Fleming Head Dec 1837 73 1883   ---------------- Scotland
Mary Fleming Daughter May 1871 40 1883   Milliner Scotland
Bessie Fleming Daughter July 1872 38 1883   ---------------- Scotland
Alex C. Fleming Son Nov 1874 36 1883   Bookkeeper Scotland

 

For the census of 1921 the family were still resident in Galt, Waterloo, although Alexander is now recorded as head of the household and is the only one recorded with an occupation. The ages given are accurate this tie although again the "Arrived in Canada" date of 1879 I believe is inaccurate.

 

1921 Census (8 June) District 137 Galt, Subdistrict 29 Waterloo South, Ontario  Page 13.

Galt, Waterloo South, Ontario.

Name Relationship Age Arrived in Canada Occupation Where Born
Alex Fleming Head 50 1879   Accountant Scotland
Mary Fleming Daughter 52 1879   ---------------- Scotland
Mary Snr Fleming Mother 83 1879   ---------------- Scotland
Elizabeth Fleming Daughter 51 1879   ---------------- Scotland

Mary Ann Fleming, nee Scott, died the year after this census on 23 Oct 1922. Certainly up until the census of 1921 none of her three children would seem to have married so it is assumed this branch of the Fleming tree died with her children.